Comments for Baltimore Red Line Underground http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog The West-East Coalition against Red Line Alternative 4C: Baltimore Demands a Better Red Line Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:46:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 Comment on How Might the Red Line 4C Look? by baltimore_babe http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130&cpage=1#comment-52 baltimore_babe Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:46:43 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130#comment-52 Uglification will be winning out no matter what citizens say- the Baltimore "Breadline" will stomp across our lovely town. Uglification will be winning out no matter what citizens say- the Baltimore “Breadline” will stomp across our lovely town.

]]> Comment on Canton Responds to Fake Grassroots Movement, Overwhelmingly Rejects Redline Alternative 4C. by Canton to Red Line backers: it ain’t over yet - Baltimore Brew http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=285&cpage=1#comment-43 Canton to Red Line backers: it ain’t over yet - Baltimore Brew Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:31:23 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=285#comment-43 [...] campaign to show “community” support for the Red Line, Braymer says she was outraged. It sparked a counter-offensive from residents who printed up postcards with the message: “No Surface Redline on Boston Street – I really do [...] [...] campaign to show “community” support for the Red Line, Braymer says she was outraged. It sparked a counter-offensive from residents who printed up postcards with the message: “No Surface Redline on Boston Street – I really do [...]

]]> Comment on How Might the Red Line 4C Look? by Nate http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130&cpage=1#comment-41 Nate Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:40:42 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130#comment-41 In response to Dave's criticism: There have not been significant changes in the physical manifestation of LRT systems since the late 1960s. Most of the advancements have been in signaling systems allowing priority and pre-emption, and the greater prevalence of low-floor vehicles. Based on GoogleEarth street measurements after construction, the width of MLK Way generally exceeded that of Edmondson Ave (75 ft across at the critical area between Woodington and Hilton) and much wider than Boston St. Also, based on average daily vehicle counts taken during the study period, the traffic density of MLK was significantly less than US 40 by about 30%. Given a roughly comparable width and significantly less traffic, an argument that surface LRT on MLK was technically justifiable could be made. Nevertheless, the MLK section was not without severe controversy and may at or possibly beyond the limits of appropriate surface LRT placement. In response to Dave’s criticism: There have not been significant changes in the physical manifestation of LRT systems since the late 1960s. Most of the advancements have been in signaling systems allowing priority and pre-emption, and the greater prevalence of low-floor vehicles.

Based on GoogleEarth street measurements after construction, the width of MLK Way generally exceeded that of Edmondson Ave (75 ft across at the critical area between Woodington and Hilton) and much wider than Boston St. Also, based on average daily vehicle counts taken during the study period, the traffic density of MLK was significantly less than US 40 by about 30%. Given a roughly comparable width and significantly less traffic, an argument that surface LRT on MLK was technically justifiable could be made. Nevertheless, the MLK section was not without severe controversy and may at or possibly beyond the limits of appropriate surface LRT placement.

]]> Comment on How Might the Red Line 4C Look? by admin http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130&cpage=1#comment-40 admin Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:31:47 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130#comment-40 Dave - thanks for correcting our error on the street name. Please see <a href="http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?page_id=136" rel="nofollow">our full article</a> - it might have fancy cars like a modern light rail system, as you suggest and we mention about Bilbao. But it will still have a nasty portal and overhead wires, and it will be so slow as to be useless. Let's not forget that we will have to pay half of the $1.6 billion cost via tax increases, and that the MTA's own studies show it will gridlock both east and west sides. We didn't pick selectively shot photos for the traffic. We navigated up and down MLK using Google's tool, and that was a representative shot. Your link is just an overhead view. I put the navigator on MLK in the section you specified and found this: <img src="http://baltimoreredlineunderground.org/images/seattle-mlkway.jpg" alt="MLK Way - Seattle" height="383" width="550" /> Looks a lot like the sections we showed before - almost no traffic. Nothing like Boston or Edmondson. Dave – thanks for correcting our error on the street name.
Please see our full article – it might have fancy cars like a modern light rail system, as you suggest and we mention about Bilbao. But it will still have a nasty portal and overhead wires, and it will be so slow as to be useless. Let’s not forget that we will have to pay half of the $1.6 billion cost via tax increases, and that the MTA’s own studies show it will gridlock both east and west sides.
We didn’t pick selectively shot photos for the traffic. We navigated up and down MLK using Google’s tool, and that was a representative shot. Your link is just an overhead view. I put the navigator on MLK in the section you specified and found this:
MLK Way - Seattle
Looks a lot like the sections we showed before – almost no traffic. Nothing like Boston or Edmondson.

]]> Comment on How Might the Red Line 4C Look? by Dave http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130&cpage=1#comment-39 Dave Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:18:08 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=130#comment-39 Or maybe it will look like an actual modern light rail system. http://www.portlandground.com/downtown/20071026_dtmax_0704.jpg Stirring up fears by showing old light rail implementations and selectively-shot photos is dishonest at best. Here's another shot from MLK Jr Way (there is no MLK Blvd in Seattle) that shows plenty of traffic <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&q=Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Way,+Seattle,+King,+Washington+98178&sll=47.599055,-122.321775&sspn=0.078249,0.185566&ie=UTF8&cd=4&geocode=FRWF1AIdJK22-A&split=0&layer=c&cbll=47.529912,-122.280787&panoid=F4FgV4FVo-751-PU394AcQ&cbp=12,185.43,,0,10.74&ll=47.489195,-122.241611&spn=0.019588,0.046391&z=14&iwloc=A" rel="nofollow">View Larger Map</a> Or maybe it will look like an actual modern light rail system. http://www.portlandground.com/downtown/20071026_dtmax_0704.jpg

Stirring up fears by showing old light rail implementations and selectively-shot photos is dishonest at best. Here’s another shot from MLK Jr Way (there is no MLK Blvd in Seattle) that shows plenty of traffic View Larger Map

]]> Comment on Red Line Designer Says “Narrow Minded” Plan is Destined to Fail by admin http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340&cpage=1#comment-38 admin Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:09:40 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340#comment-38 Steve - I guess you read nothing else posted on this blog. Everyone wants mass transit. We would ride it. Many of us are "colored" or Hispanic. We don't believe in frivolous spending for a system that will be crippled at best and will gridlock both east and west sides of the city. Steve – I guess you read nothing else posted on this blog. Everyone wants mass transit. We would ride it. Many of us are “colored” or Hispanic. We don’t believe in frivolous spending for a system that will be crippled at best and will gridlock both east and west sides of the city.

]]> Comment on Red Line Designer Says “Narrow Minded” Plan is Destined to Fail by Nate http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340&cpage=1#comment-37 Nate Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:07:39 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340#comment-37 Gerry was involved in the project, but not as a planner, IIRC. He did work as one of the "facilitators" or whatever they were called for the working groups during the public meetings around 2005 that the MTA brought in. I was also there, and I certainly participated. So I guess we all sort of "planned" together. Though it's clear that my planning efforts at those meetings fell on deaf ears--with the possible exception of the missing CLR transfer at Howard St the Flanagan MTA didn't include that only appeared after the Porcari MTA. (Don Fry had been claiming the Red Line would connect with the Light Rail, and it was quite obvious it didn't at all.) Gerry was involved in the project, but not as a planner, IIRC. He did work as one of the “facilitators” or whatever they were called for the working groups during the public meetings around 2005 that the MTA brought in.

I was also there, and I certainly participated. So I guess we all sort of “planned” together. Though it’s clear that my planning efforts at those meetings fell on deaf ears–with the possible exception of the missing CLR transfer at Howard St the Flanagan MTA didn’t include that only appeared after the Porcari MTA. (Don Fry had been claiming the Red Line would connect with the Light Rail, and it was quite obvious it didn’t at all.)

]]> Comment on Red Line Designer Says “Narrow Minded” Plan is Destined to Fail by get real http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340&cpage=1#comment-36 get real Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:57:22 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340#comment-36 So...Mr Neily retired from the City in the mid-90s. And Red Line planning didn't begin til 2003. So....when exactly did he work on the project? A little fact-checking is in order. So…Mr Neily retired from the City in the mid-90s. And Red Line planning didn’t begin til 2003. So….when exactly did he work on the project? A little fact-checking is in order.

]]> Comment on Red Line Designer Says “Narrow Minded” Plan is Destined to Fail by Steve Langford http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340&cpage=1#comment-35 Steve Langford Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:52:29 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=340#comment-35 Let me sum up your positon in a nutshell: "Waaah, we're a bunch scared NIMBY's who don't like change, and we're scared that if they build the Red Line all of the colored people and Mexicans will invade our neighborhood." You live in a city. If you don't want mass transit, then go move to Columbia. Let me sum up your positon in a nutshell:

“Waaah, we’re a bunch scared NIMBY’s who don’t like change, and we’re scared that if they build the Red Line all of the colored people and Mexicans will invade our neighborhood.”

You live in a city. If you don’t want mass transit, then go move to Columbia.

]]> Comment on Enraged Citizens Shout Governor Down at Rail Project Press Conference by ParkMosher http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=304&cpage=1#comment-34 ParkMosher Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:00:47 +0000 http://www.baltimoreredlineunderground.org/blog/?p=304#comment-34 [...] NIMBYs, naysayers and nitpickers have been all over him since (WEC brags about their attempts at “shouting down” the governor – neglecting to mention they failed [...] [...] NIMBYs, naysayers and nitpickers have been all over him since (WEC brags about their attempts at “shouting down” the governor – neglecting to mention they failed [...]

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